Is Mthwakazi Liberation Front any good for the region?

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Shonas; please disabuse yourselves of this notion, that says Mthwakazi land or the whole country north of River Ngulukudela or between the two rivers is exclusively yours and yours alone. It is these tribalistic ideas of you the Shonas that led to the formation of the MLF - now you live with the consequences!! Read Full Discussion
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Is Mthwakazi Liberation Front any good for the region?

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I would like to here what Zimbabweans think of Mthwakazi Liberation Front (MLF).

Does the region need MLF?

Lets discuss people!
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nqobani 3 years
Try kubo newzimbabwe, newsday, the zimbabwean. there you will find many zimbabweans. here you are likely to get more Mthwakazians
myAfroTube 3 years
Nqobani phela you did not answer the question here. Please tell me your opinion on MLF.
Muthwa 3 years
zimbabwean will tell you that MLF have noplace in zimbabwe, but Mthwakazi will tell you that MLF is The National Army of Mthwakazi
Muthwa 3 years
Ngu Muthwa ka MThwakazi vs zimba le zimbabwe
Mzwazwa 3 years
Why such a question, MLF is the way to go sikhathele nge Matebeleland East
Mzwazwa 3 years
The region really needs MLF, just look at whats happening after the formation of MLF everyone now wants to appear as if they are doing something for the region. MLF is the future
myAfroTube 3 years
How come no one is coming up with a decent reason why the region needs MLF?
How can MLF help or be of any good to the region if its followers don't even know how its going to help or how its damaging the region?
nqobani 3 years
you seem not to get it mfo. but anyway i will answer u from a Mthwakazian point of view. but i will have to assume ukuthi ukhuluma ngoMthwakazi as a region. MLF is here to fight for our land from the zimbabwean colonisers. it is good because it promises us Mthwakaziand jobs and recognition of our languages and promises us a state where everyone will be equal regardless of tribe. so YES it is good for the region, but bad for the other region.
myAfroTube 3 years
"a state where everyone will be equal regardless of tribe" the Zimbabwe has always been like that since 1980, all tribes are the same
nqobani 3 years
mfo its either u are plain stupid , dull or a shona benefiting from zimbabwe`s colonisation of Mthwakazi to think everyone is equal in that ruins of a country. if everyone was equal i guese we would be having a fair distribution funds, fair development, fair educational opportunity. its always shonas who choose not to see this because we all know who stands to lose when Mthwakazi is free.
mduduzi 3 years
Mthwakazi Liberation Front has a democratic right to existence just as any other political party or movement. Its relevance to the region depends on what it is advocating for and in this case it is very much relevant because it has helped bring the plight of the people of Mthwakazi to the fore.

Zimbabwe has never been an equal state but has for the past 31 years set out to tribally oppress the peoples of Mthwakazi through genocide, social, economic and cultural marginalization which they conveniently inherited from Britain who for 87 years had racially oppressed Mthwakazi while looting and plundering its resources both natural and man made. Britain colonized Mthwakazi on 19/12/1893 through the Rule by Conquest and the Matabeleland Order-in Council of 18/07/1894 which was never abolished by simply handed over to Zimbabwe who have advanced its agenda with great success.

Mthwakazi has a historical jsutification to claim sovereignty through the pre-1893 boundaries which were administered by a sovereign leader called Lobengula Khumalo. What MLF is advocating for is just and deserved hence its popularity and it must be understood that it is not the only movement that is advocating for decolonization of Mthwakazi but other movements such as uMhlahlo have made great strides to a point of having the cause presented to the United Nations who will be discussing it at its general assembly next wee together with the independence of Palestain.

In short MLF is very much relevant to the region and beyond and its existance is most welcome and l wish it much success in its endevours.
mduduzi 3 years
It is not a region but a state. Why should the shona move out of our state? What must be understood is that like any nation that achieves its independence after 118 years of colonization they are serious reforms that will have to be made to redress the injustices that have been prevailing and these include the economy, education, land, mining, employment etc.



Not everyone will agree with some of these reforms especially if they have been unjustly benefiting from them but reforms must go on. Upon independence a people driven constitution must be drafted and adopted followed by elections of whose winner must and will adhere to the constitution.



The shona like any other tribe and race are very much welcome in Mthwakazi but they must accept to be governed by the constitution and elected leaders of Mthwakazi. Mthwakazi thrives through diversity, tolerance, equality, democracy and respect and as such just as any other tribe the shona make up that diversity and that must be respected, tolerated and protected by the state. No tribe shall be allowed to dominate any other tribe in whatever form and this shall be enshrined in the constitution and be a punishable offence.



Remember Mzilikazi incorporated these people into his state which lived in harmony and who amongst ourselves is greater than Mzilikazi to change that.

Anonymous user 3 years
it is good for Mthwakazian people
Anonymous user 3 years
the so called mlf should ask land from zuma because north of the limpopo there is nothing for u guys .matabeleland is for zimbabweans period .Mthwakazi what is that go to hell .
Anonymous user 3 years
salibonani linjani bantu base zimbabwe

Anonymous user 3 years
im quite interested by this debate.Mduduzi, if all you want is a fair nation, one where all tribes r equal, etc, are u saying majority of Zimbos (both Ndebele and Shona) do NOT want that such that the only way to have such a nation is to break away and form a state which wants that? everyone in Zim wants that. what i dont understand is this, why does MLF and most of those who back them assume that Shonas hate Ndebeles? why is it always assumed taht since Mugabe hates Ndebeles then every Shona hates them 2? Zimbos are too Christian to stoop this low. i have always felt MLFs rightful fight is with Mugabe, not Shonas nor the upper half of Zim they wanna get rid of.but definitely to assume the rest of the Shonas think like him is being mischevious. if they are fighting his policies and trying to change the way things are being done and get equality, why not cntest Zim polls like everyone lese and then imp[lement those policies. who wouldnt vote for a party that offers equality and respect for everyone and thier views?isnt that what both MDCs want? this is why i feel this is about power and just wanting to rule 'something' if u cant rule the whole. im saying this coz one of the MLF leaderes is Paul Siwela, a guy who lost in Zim presidential elections. im sure he was hurt by losing in that poll he has chosen to divide a nation and rule a small peice since he has failed on a national stage.have never heard any plan or even manifesto by these guys on how exactly will they rule and make changes that will impact on the region except their DIVIDE, DIVIDE DIVIDE calls. so there are genuine concerns, yes, but if MLF fought on the National stage proposing good ideas as they say they have and promising democracy, equality and respect, they will surely win coz Zimbos are educated enough to choose a sensiblke party based on its ideas not just on its personalities. then they would then rule all of Zim as gud as they really say they do. we all wish for that type of Zim actualluy so guys, register as a party and with such good ideas and ideals, my vote wil be yoz.
mduduzi 3 years
Anonymous user l am not debating with anyone but l am only stating undeniable facts based on history and the truth. Your contribution is based on assumptions which have no historical or factual truth in them and as such they would be no use to go against your opinion but for your benefit l will give a short response. Zimbabwe is a state made up of two nations which have nothing to do with shona and ndebele but have everything to do with colonization and deprivation of one state of its right to sovereignty and independence. Paul Siwela lost because he fought a wrong battle on a wrong platform. Today MLF is fighting a national issue on a national platform which is Mthwakazi and that is why it is gaining so much support and attention because it speaks the truth and nothing but the whole truth. The issue of Mugabe and Zimbabwe is a governance and politics issue for Zimbabweans to deal with and l believe the likes of MDC are doing just that. As for Mthwakazians our duty is to deal with our issues of sovereignty and claim to decolonization and independence and that we will pursue with all vigour and might. God bless Mthwakazi.
Anonymous user 3 years
MLF is dead and buried. How can such a new party be split into dozen factions when it says it represents uMthwakazi? Egos kuMLF are their achilles hill, they are now under the water. uZezwa sokule MDP, MPP, MLF whats that???? Khatshana with all these Mthwakazi opportunists
Anonymous user 3 years
Zimbabwe is suntioned just because of amadlambeba lawa, and the Mthwakazi nation is made to suffer under thes suctions that we didn't cause. The split will mean that Mthwakazians would be free from sunctions and that what is good for the region.
Anonymous user 3 years
And so the two women came to King solomon's court. One had killed her baby in her sleep. Both were claiming the living baby. The Killer mother accepted for the living baby to be cut in half but the true mother said she would rather give up the baby alive. We all know that bible story and it applies to Mntwakazi
Anonymous user 3 years
Mntwakazi is not good for the region. These are tribalists full of hate. They ran away from Tshaka after they had stolen his cattle and came to be in present day Zimbabwe. they are cowards. They got here and stole shona cattle claiming "izinkomo zenkosi". they we ruthless, murdered shonas ,forced kalanga and other small shona related tribes to speak ndebele. today they say they are forced to speak shona. How many smaller tribes in and around matebeleland speaks their original language other than ndebele. Even the vendas of Zimbabwe speak Ndebele. If you want to know how kalanga is related to shona you go to Botswana not Matabeleland. Its about a minority wanting to dominate the majority through supremacism.
Anonymous user 3 years
Look Zimbabwe is one. When Ndebeles into zimabwe they found shona affiliated tribes living in peace and harmony and prosperity.The shonas accepted them as fellow black brothers not because they feared them. Shonas knew that it was pointless to fight another black brother. Ndebeles never conqered Guruuswa province.I am yet to hear of the battle in which the Ndebeles fought and conquered the shona in Guruuswa (what they call Matebeland /Mntwakazi) rather they were accepted by the shona. They soon turned against the shona coz shonas had crops cattle etc. they started mariuding and raiding shona tribes for food, cattle and women. Finally many decades later shonas started fighting back.They pushed ndebeles back in many areas.By the time the whites arrived Lobengulas area of control was much deminished. Having said this is a complex matter which MLF is foolishly trying to simplify. What they want is Ndebele Supremacy, a Ndebele only state this is purely based on percieved precolonial heyday glory of their ancestors Mzilikazi and Lobengula. It has nothing to do with democracy. We shonas don't have to fight to get what we want.Ndebeles are a tribe not even a country or nation. We shonas are a civillisation. In other words shona is not a homgenenous bunch of people. We are a diverse bunch who have learnt to tolerate each other. It is well known that shonas are welcoming and are acceptable to other people s ideas and are always ready to share. However shonas never let go of what is theirs even if it takess thousands of years to get it back. (We are slow starters but preetty good finishers)We happen to speak a language 79% common to each grouping but we are also different. A civillisation is known by its architecture and culturral advancement, we score high on those.(Check out great Zimbabwe and read about shonas in portuguese history).

Having said that on another level we are now one people through intermarige and other social links. 60% of so called Ndebeles are assimilated Shonas anyway, the Ncubes, Mpofus , Sibandas etc. Mntwakazi is not good for the region because it divides people. there are many Ndebeles working and having business in Harere. There are many more shonas living and working in and around Matebeleland.I have relations of shonas whose generations grow up in Bulawayo and have big difficulties speaking shona. My wife is ndebele but many generations have lived in [Some people] areas. She does not speak a word of ndebele although she has a ndebele name and surname. Essentially she is shona. Mntwakazi is about apatheid Ndebele apartheid. Shonas are everywhere because they are the majority. Shona is spoken everywhere because it is the language of the majority in Zimbabwe. Lastly Zimbabwe is a free country live and work in any part of it.

If in South Africa Zulu is lingua franca, same as shona in Zimabwe. Matebeleland is not marginalised. It is a vast arid region with great distances between settlements. A region with scace water is hard to develop. it will take time. It is not different to many other parts of Zimabwe. Lastly Ndebeles must move forward rather than be stuck in the past. Things happended but they can not be reversed. After independence Zimbabweans were fresh from a terribly bloody war in which death, blood and tears were no longer strange to us. What ever happended was not a onesided affair.Its just who hit who more. I let it rest. Mntwakazi is not good for the region.

munhu
Anonymous user 3 years
mduduzi.what you are saying are not facts but lies laced with emotions of a ndebele guy suffering from superiority complex.In zimbabwe ndebele supremacy just like the whiteman supremacy has been deafeted.Mzilikazi and lobengula brought a culture of violence to the civilized bakalanga in 1830 hence colonizing them and the entire shona people .it is therefore mischievous for all ndebele guys writing here claiming colonization.Infact you are the colonizers who must be helped to claim your heritage from the current zulu king ZWELITHINI.Lusvingo [dlodlo] is a clear testimony of who are the rightfull owners of the land you are claiming.I challenge all the bakalanga and vavhenda to claim their heritage not you [ndebele].Your king (lobengula)had an army of bloodthirsty murderers,rapists and thieves who stole kalanga.shona.and venda women and catle while murdering all males.Let me inform you that you are igniting a huge flame in the tribes i have mentioned.The assegai and knobkerrie glory is over .MTHWAKAZI AS A POLITICAL PARTY YES NOT AS A STATE .YOU WILL NEVER DISTORT HISTORY .
Anonymous user 3 years
what do they want to liberate, these guys have nothing better to do. they should work and build their homes, send children to school, or emigrate, shame.
Anonymous user 3 years
Here are the savages that have caused the problems zimbabwe have today.MZILIKAZI.LOBENGULA.MUGABE.[and Nkala,Zvinavashe,Chiwenga]NKOMO JOSHUA and[Gwasela,Dabengwa,Masuku,Mabhena].the BRITISH.Mthakathi liberation front like ZANU PF are going to be added to this list very soon.they are aspiring to be party of the savages.
Anonymous user 3 years
Historical Zimbabwe is the land of the Shona speaking people, Ndebeles came from the South (KZN) so for them to say they want to divide the country is not only overambitious its also ill informed. Instead Ndebeles should focus on getting educated just like every other person in Zim and get on with life because even if they were to manage to split the country chances are there will be no development in the region due to lack of well educated and skilled Ndebeles. MLF is a pet project of people who are trying to find relevance....in any case the great leaders from Matebeleland realised the need for unity eg Mzilikazi himself reigned over a unified state...Father Zimbabwe had support across the country and he was no tribalist. As a country we have made such strides in unifying the nation (yes its not perfect and we are not yet there!) what we need are policies to further unite us...eg teach Shona and Ndebele in all schools, that way we will create a generation that understands each other and have no communication barriers,...its that simple. And we also need to get rid of this Matebeleland Masholaland business Im sure there is a better way of naming our regions...if a group comes up and fights for such policies then Zim will become a great nation. Ultimately there is no difference between Shonas and Ndebeles. I have stayed with a Shona family myself and have come to realise that deep down we are the same people, its the politicians that separate us...if we really hated each other as we claim would we have inter marriages??? Would we have fought along each other during the liberation war????
Anonymous user 2 years
anonynouser user.

Listen here - Yes Shonas indeed hate uMthwakazi, lets stop pretending. Even the blood the shed during Gukurawundi still does not quench their tribal hatred of the Ndebele till this day - 32 years later. Many still need more pounds of the Mthwakazi flesh. Hence the usual call for us to cross down the the Limpopo river. Yes its true, it is Mugabe and his ZANU PF who came with tribal hatred against uMthwakazi in 1980 from Mozambique. But it is equally true that it is the Shonas in general, with a few exceptions, who have helped Mugabe carry out his 1979 Grand plans. For that reason, we know - it is not an assumption that many Shonas hate uMthwakazi, the Ndebele people in particular. This they have shown by:

1. Supporting Mugabe in him refusing to apologise and compensate Mthwakazi villagers for Gukurawundi;

2. Refusing to speak Ndebele in particular or learn any other Mthwakazi language for that matter despite living in Mthwakazi for twenty or so years. Granted there are some who speak the language, but the majority refuse outright - "Tawura zwatinondza!";

3. Shonas support any Mugabe/Zanu PF policies that work against the cultural, language, land-rights, employment opportunities of the Mthwakazi people, as long they themselves stand to benefit from those policies. But they are quick to seek Matebeleland support, through their MDC-T to oust Mugabe;

4. Shonas in general dismiss the existence of the Zanu PF 1979 Grand plan, just like their beloved ZANU PF, instead of calling for an independent investigation to prove its existence or otherwise; its origins and the prosecution of the drafters of this document, if at all it does indeed exist;

5. Shonas refuse to support or vote for Ndebele speaking politicians. They never even attempt a balanced view of what they stand for but simply dismiss them as tribalists and regionalists without any basis or making an effort to understand where they are coming from; and

6. Any Shona political leader is automatically assumed a national leader, e.g. Makoni who is from Manicaland, without any need for further interrogation, hence the TRIBALIST label is never used for them.
Anonymous user 2 years
Mthwakazi

anonynouser user.

Listen here - Yes Shonas indeed hate uMthwakazi, lets stop pretending. Even the blood the shed during Gukurawundi still does not quench their tribal hatred of the Ndebele till this day - 32 years later. Many still need more pounds of the Mthwakazi flesh. Hence the usual call for us to cross down the the Limpopo river. Yes its true, it is Mugabe and his ZANU PF who came with tribal hatred against uMthwakazi in 1980 from Mozambique. But it is equally true that it is the Shonas in general, with a few exceptions, who have helped Mugabe carry out his 1979 Grand plans. For that reason, we know - it is not an assumption that many Shonas hate uMthwakazi, the Ndebele people in particular. This they have shown by:

1. Supporting Mugabe in him refusing to apologise and compensate Mthwakazi villagers for Gukurawundi;

2. Refusing to speak Ndebele in particular or learn any other Mthwakazi language for that matter despite living in Mthwakazi for twenty or so years. Granted there are some who speak the language, but the majority refuse outright - "Tawura zwatinondza!";

3. Shonas support any Mugabe/Zanu PF policies that work against the cultural, language, land-rights, employment opportunities of the Mthwakazi people, as long they themselves stand to benefit from those policies. But they are quick to seek Matebeleland support, through their MDC-T to oust Mugabe;

4. Shonas in general dismiss the existence of the Zanu PF 1979 Grand plan, just like their beloved ZANU PF, instead of calling for an independent investigation to prove its existence or otherwise; its origins and the prosecution of the drafters of this document, if at all it does indeed exist;

5. Shonas refuse to support or vote for Ndebele speaking politicians. They never even attempt a balanced view of what they stand for but simply dismiss them as tribalists and regionalists without any basis or making an effort to understand where they are coming from; and

6. Any Shona political leader is automatically assumed a national leader, e.g. Makoni who is from Manicaland, without any need for further interrogation, hence the TRIBALIST label is never used for them.



APART FROM THE ABOVE, MORE CAN BE STATED TO PROVE SHONA HATRED FOR MTHWAKAZI PEOPLE!
Anonymous user 2 years
By Mthwakazi

Shonas, having originated from the north and east Africa like every other Bantu people, have no right whatsoever, of claiming a piece of SAN land as exclusively theirs - their length of stay in Southern Africa notwithstanding. Following this logic, we might as well agree then, that the present whites who bought land from fellow whites and have owned it for donkey years had all the right to that land - so this Mugabe land grab is outright daylight thieving. Your length of stay or posession of stolen property does not legitimise the theft whatsoever. Southern African land belongs to abaThwa/San - this is factual history. Its not debatable. Shonas must accept that they stole land from the San, the San lost in the process. Likewise, then came the Ndebele, who stole or took that land by force from them the Karangas/Shonas and they lost in the process. No amount of revising or attempting to sanitise the role of the Karangas/Shonas in this will ever make them the legitimate owners of the Southern African region. There is nowhere in human history where a people have ever taken land from their legitimate owners peacefully - despite Shona efforts to prove that their land grab from the San was all innocent and peaceful. History is also replete with Shona tribes grabbing this same stolen land by force from each other - one chief and his people fighting the neighbouring chiefs!!
Anonymous user 2 years
By Mthwakazi

Shonas; please disabuse yourselves of this notion, that says Mthwakazi land or the whole country north of River Ngulukudela or between the two rivers is exclusively yours and yours alone. It is these tribalistic ideas of you the Shonas that led to the formation of the MLF - now you live with the consequences!!
Anonymous user 2 years
By Mthwakazi

The MLF is right. The stubborness which Mugabe and his ZANU are showing over the constitutional concept of devolution of government into three levels of govt namely national, provincial and local, simply proves that the MLF is right. Even some of us Mthwakazi moderates are now simpathising with the MLF ideas of total separation. Shonas in general are also lukewarm towards tyhe devolution concept despite the fact that Masvingo and Manicaland provinces are equally suffering under the present centralised governance concept of ZANU PF. This means Shona solidarity is far more important to them thaN balanced national economic development!!
Anonymous user 2 years
By Mthwakazi

There is a stupid fella going under the anonymous name, who is claiming that ZULU is the lingua franca of South Africa, so likewise Shona should be the lingua franca of Zimbabwe. This is why we need the MLF like yesterday - its this tribalistic and stupid Shona thinking that needs to be dealt with thoroughly. Zulu is NOT THE LINGUA FRANCA in South Africa. It is just one of the official 11 languages. Its wide usage is mainly due to historical reasons - prior to ANC government Zulus always moved to seek employment elsewhere outside KZN, particularly Gauteng. Again the role that King Shaka played in the prehistoric era contributed to the widespread use of isiZulu. But that notwithstanding, it is NOT the lingua franca in South Africa. There are ten other languages, apart from Zulu that are officially recognised as the lingua francas in South Africa. At the provincial level, it is only the languages that exclusive to those provinces that are reocgnised as official provincial languages. For example, in limpopo province - Pedi, Shanagani, Venda, Afrikaans and English are the exclusive official provincial languages. Zulu is not one of them. A Zulu person cannnot come to live and work in Limpopo and then demand that his children be taught Zulu in Limpopo schools, as the Shona people do in Matebeleland - its impossible; they have to learn any one of the stated official languages in the province! Comparatively in the case of Zimbabwe - Shona is a recent language in Mthwakazi regions owing to the Gukurahundi in the 1980s who forced the spread of the language at gun point. It is not simply EVERYWHERE, as you claim, because the Shonas are many, for they are a minority in Matebeleland. It was spread by Gukurawundi, particularly inrural provinces.



GET YOU FACTS RIGHT BEFORE BRAGGING ABOUT NOTHING, ESPECIALLY THE SPILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE'S BLOOD!!
Anonymous user 2 years
most of you are liars? shona people were living peacefully? oh please one of the main shona totems varozvi literally means destroyers. Mthwakazi is absolutely necessary but their endeavors are misdirected because they want to divide the nation that will weaken the people and give politicians the power. if they can get the guys responsible for every political, racial, tribal killing that took place in zimbabwe i would salute them. our relatives were killed, our houses were burnt we will never forget that but we want justice. our leaders are murderers and have blood on their hands. the ndebele were not accepted into zimbabwe they fought their way in because they had superior fighting tactics and that is why they raided other tribes as a form of economic activity, that is a fact. our country has gone we need it back. ian smith once claimed that he was a better policy formulator and implementer than mugabe. now i believe him. he gave mugabe 3 crucial projects zambezi water project, tokwe mukosi dam and the harare chitungwiza railway line. on the news you hear that they are towards completion and its pathetic. i read the 'great shona plan of 1979'. its pathetic that someone is so stupid to the extend that they plan to make their fellow countrymen suffer. 18 april will be remembered as the day our misery started at the hands of our own brothers. someone said that the shonas benefit from the policies by mugabe, well they are not. they are unemployed, starving, suffering as much as every other zimbabwean, only a few of the kleptocratic idiots do, is obert mpofu shona because i think he is benefiting. bulawayo was once among the cities with the best roads in africa, harare the sunshine city now the definition of zanu pf rule refuse, water, sewage the list is endless. people are not killing each other for tribal reasons we are different from sudan. we are a proud nation regardless of tribe. fine shonas came from the east ndebeles from the south nyanja from malawi and zambia whites from europe, so what? we are now in the same country at the same time and we need to build it so that our children will be proud of their nation and proud of us. we may thing of cleansing other tribes and killing them all or sending them back but guess what hitler failed it, even in rwanda it did not work. we need to unite our troubled mother land because each and every tribe among the 16 can claim to be colonised. for gukurahundi let there be justice that is all.
Anonymous user 2 years
yes we need mlf more than anything
Anonymous user 2 years
i think partly their demands make sense on the other side if the transfoarmtion of the country to serve everybody fairly is not geven a chance or tested it may fail their course.
Anonymous user 2 years
the Great Plan wass actually coined in the 1960's, the 1970 document was an amendment. now with such a document in place, why wouldn't the region need the MLF. we have the shone people resorting to such barbaric behaviour to ensure that amaNdebele are totally ousted from this land.

One thing we really have to take note of is the fact that the 'Great Plan' has seen fruition, walk around Bulawayo and see, our once great city has been INFESTED, seems there are more Shona people than there are in Matabeleland. go to the deepest parts of rural Matabeleland and go to a shop there, chances are you'll be greeted in Shona.



The saddest things is that we only have ourselves to blame. amaNdebele have known about this plan for about 50yeaars and did nothing about it. we were like a baby crying for something from the neighbours. our fathers and grandfathers didnt put togehter any counter-meaasures, we've all just sat back and thought things will just happen. worse still, our 'Father Zimbabwe' went on to put the nail on the coffin by selling out amaNdebele to amatshona, and look where we are now.



we need to wake up bantu bakuthi. our govt is a shona govt, our banks shona-run, our superrmarkets, everything we are right now, is in the hands of anatshona, we know this but still sit back. do we expect THEM to have our best interests at heart???? and the ndebele people that are there are just names but shona at heart. MLF is a long term plan, but WE need to do something now. a local solution to a local problem. i hope that answers the question on the relevance of uMthwakazi
Anonymous user 1 year
Very good, keep talking. That is the whole idea. The talk about Mthwakazi is good it's giving flesh to a long overdue idea , every Mthwakazian who can think knows that. Everything starts with a thought and eventually materializes. There is no brave warrior than the people who brought the Mthwakazi idea into the public domain. It's only a question of time before our people are liberated. Israel is alive today, Gaza is as well. So is Eritrea and southern Sudan just to make a few examples.
Anonymous user 1 year
To hell with Mthwakazi. We want peace
Anonymous user 1 year
madoda abantu beMatebeleland bafuna inkululeko eqondileyo lakhona phela siyabona kulabanye okungani behlula abanye ngokulwa ikanti akuzange kube lokulwa labo okuyikuthi nxa befuna leyo ndaba abatshengiswe
Anonymous user 1 year
Yes we need to restore our Ndebele state, ophikisayo go and ask the Government about the two state houses, two Reserve banks, Jameson Line, the [Some people] only Refferendum of 1923 ukuthi kwenzekani???
Anonymous user 1 year
phambili ngo Mthwakazi
Anonymous user 1 year
Yes,offcourse the country (Mthwakazi) needs MLF. A question like this one needs tto be thoroughly scruitinized. It is the people, not the regions of Matebeleland who want this political paradgim shift. First of all writers with regards to Mthwakazi must consider their political- social and economic stances at the time of writing.It is not scribes who write about Mthwakazi. The people who have physical,polical and social bias against are the ones whom I think have a better understanding and knowdge of how painfull it is to be discriminated on of fervent tribalism at your own backyard by some one what who knows of your history , customs and culture.We need MLF in Matebeleland much purposefully than Matebeleland out-siders. It is why I think some one who currently enjoys the fruit of Zimbabwe liberators should not be the ones to tell and dictate terms us as to how we should wage a war of ourself determination.In short let me conclude by sayingl People of Mthwakazi be careful of eastern invaders and corruptionists from Salisbury (Harare) They think they are the ones to tell us as to when we need Mthwakazi Liberation Front
Anonymous user 1 year
Well its a waste of time to debate in hatred using hate speech and theories rather than facts!! The notion that shonas hate ndebeles belongs to the most tribalist of persons who seek to justify their hatred of the shona people. Zimbabwe is and will always be one country, this Mthwakazi dream is just a ploy to ride on ndebeles anger over gukurahundu to further destroy any kind of relations between Zimbabweans. Our ndebele fathers married shona women, and at the same time our shona,kalanga,venda fathers inter married and married ndebele women to bring up a generation of mixed races united by one truth of ubuntu and being citizens of one nation. Using that as a background, its no wonder that MLF doesn't have as much support, cause how can you say or teach that i have to hate my shona mother because of what some (handful) of shona people did during gukurahundi? On the other hand how can you teach me to hate my shona father simply because he is shona?! MLF is proving to be very tribalistic, and i guarantee you that your lifeline as a party or state with your tribalistic views is very limited. MLF as a party can be well accepted, but as a state well that will never happen thats a fact that may be painful to accept to some yet it still remains a fact. By the way don't fool people as they know who is truly funding you!!
Anonymous user 7 months
It is both amazing and amusing to realize that people debate so vigorously on the issue of who rightfully belong to the land south of Zambezi River and north of Limpopo River. Historically, Southern Africa was the land occupied by both the San and Khoikhoi peoples. Then came the Bantu speaking groups of people, Shona included, and settled in Southern Africa. The Shona people attacked and succeeded in driving the San people to the edges of the Kalahari desert, while the same happened to those living in the southern tip of Africa when the white man came. This being the case, is therefore historically incorrect for some people to claim that present day Zzimbabwe belongs to Shona people. Zimbabwe is a land of immigrants as is the case with all countries in Southern Africa, the SADC region. When the Ndebele under King Mzilikazi settled in what they later called Matabeleland, they found the Shona people, who migrated from eastern Congo, already settled there. The shear power of King Mzilikazi's warriors subdued the various Shona groups, as such groups had done to the San people. Thus, during those times it was survival of the tribe with the strongest regiments/warriors, so to speak. Ladies and gentlemen, let have our historical facts correct so that we can argue positively on the issue of MLF. To me MLF is only going to be relevant if they can convingly argue their case at home or within the boundaries of Zimbabwe rather than shouting and making unconvincing and treasonous statements in the comfort of their flats in Johannesburg and Botswana. Worse still, these guys are not intelligent enough to run their organisation, what more of a country. I know most of them and they are dictators who have the potential to become worse the Uganda's late and former dictator, Idi Amin.
Anonymous user 7 months
We Kalangas are not Ndebele but infact we are totally related to the Shona therefore we have no future in Mathawakazi so remove our area the especially Matebeleland South and Midlands who are dominated by Shona-Karanga-Karanga grps or else
Anonymous user 5 months
yes it does because there is too much tribalism being made by the shona people and their gorvement .and they do feel sorry about the guguraundi genocite that kolle more than 50.000 ndebeles .
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